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After Week Six
Wednesday, August 3, 2005 at 08:21PM Perhaps.
After reading some of the Pac-10 media day quotes, we stopped for a moment at this one from Arizona coach Mike Stoops-
"There are very innovated offenses," he said of the Pac-10. "The quarterback play was shocking to me. The ability to throw the ball down the field ... I never saw that really until we came here."A couple of thoughts here.
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There's one thing I want to mention. Oklahoma had no business in the Orange Bowl. They proved that fact by their play. Sure, they were number 2 all year and went undefeated and won their conference. That is the point Auburn fans have tried to make. Those things should not guarantee a BCS championship spot. You should take into account how they played all year. They were behind far too often. They gave up way too many points to mid-level teams. It was no surprise to me that they gave up 50+ to an outstanding USC offense. Would Auburn have beaten USC? Probably not. Would Auburn have beaten Oklahoma? There is no doubt in my mind.
Maybe, maybe not. What's the point, though? The reason all the major bowls are played at warm weather sites is that it enables both teams to use ALL of their weapons. The forward pass has been a part of football for well nigh a century, now; I thought you Big 10 types had finally learned that after getting your clocks cleaned regularly in the Rose Bowl during the 70's and 80's. Maybe I was wrong.
The point was that Arizona is not Oklahoma. Oklahoma has a lot of built-in things to create a great team in a hurry. It's a traditional power, its near Texas for recruiting, its name carries a ton of weight with voters with any kind of memory.
What does Arizona have? Excessive heat and hot co-eds. Its a little more difficult to build a winner there.
John Blake failed at Oklahoma, so its not a given you can build a winner there. Same thing with Paul Hackett at USC. Yet a good coach comes along like Carroll or Bob Stoops and the magic of the place begins again.
But... there is no magic at Arizona, just hard work.
I could be wrong here, but a good majority of CFB games are played in very fair weather, even in the northern climes. Who truly designs a team for weather conditions that likely won't even affect more than 2-3 games a season?
Odd point.
Any point about weather works both ways, for what its worth.
Suggesting USC would lose 9/10 in Ann Arbor or Columbus is insane.
You took one throw-away quote a coach made and managed to use it to support your whole baseless argument that the Pac-10 is the toughest top-to-bottom conference in the nation.
Ever think of going into politics? Dubya could sure your a spin artist like you; I'm sure he has plenty of dirt mounds that he needs to convince the nation are former sites of WMD production labs; you're just the man to help him make that stretch.
If the Pac-10 is the best conference in the nation, can you tell me why a second-tier team in the Big 12 South (#4 Texas Tech) beat the everliving hell out of the #2 team in the Pac-10? If the offensive play in the Pac-10 is so innovative, why hadn't Cal's defensive staff ever seen a spread offense before? Why were they absolutely clueless as to how to stop Tech's offense?
Right now the Pac-10 has one good team, USC, and a bunch of scrubs. If USC had to play in the SEC or Big 12, they wouldn't go undefeated, b/c they'd be facing better competition every single week, and wouldn't be able to coast on the feast of scrubs that is their current conference schedule.
You say that Bob Stoops refuses to acknowledge a superior brand of play, instead blaming his players. Well, his secondary was atrocious last season, a weakness USC exploited; what do you want Stoops to say, it wasn't the players, when it was clear they WERE the problem?
As for your "superior" brand of football remark, Bob Stoops coached at Florida, so it isn't like he's never seen a good passing game before. His 2000 national champion team won early with their spread offense, and late in the season with their defense. I tihnk he knows a little osmething about coaching at a high level.
You also try to compare the 2003 MNC and 2004 MNC games, which is idiotic. LSU won not b/c they colud pass the ball, but b/c they could run the ball, and keep it away from OU's offense. They also had a defense capable of shutting down OU's offense. Still, LSU only held on at the end to win by a TD.
Other than attempting to use poor logic to prop up an argument based on one quote, I'm really not sure what your point is here. You say this entry isn't about praising the Pac-10, when in actuality, that appears to be the only reason you wrote this entry.
I've seen Messr. Stoops say something similar, in person. I've also read similar quotes in the papers during the course of last season. He knows he has his hands full matchup up against Pac-10 offenses, period.
My argument isn't that the Pac-10 is the best top to bottom conference, although that would be a fun discussion.
My argument is that Mike Stoops recognizes the difficulties of playing in the Pac-10 and because his head is on a swivel, he has a chance to be better than his brother Bob, who is basically stuck in his career. Bob can continue to reach championship games (maybe) but unless he draws someone like FSU or LSU (a game that could have gone either way) again, he simply won't win. There are teams out there who can outclass him and his behavior indicates that he has no intention of adjusting how he operates to compete with these teams like USC.
And yes he should have blamed himself. His secondary was alright, and had its bad moments last year. But you can have superb corners and still be completely ineffective against these elite offenses because what they do offensively is not a matter of talent but design. Oklahoma had no idea what USC was doing, they completely embarrassed themselves on national TV. As noted before, there was a series where USC put the game away, first going for a quick read jump ball to Jarrett before lining up in an empty backfield the next play. As the USC back went in motion, the Oklahoma defenders were frozen, and late in adjusting to the back, remaining in run defense despite there not being a single back in the backfield! oklahoma then called a corner blitz as USC properly read and went to Jarrett for a wide open touchdown down the sidelines. There were many more plays like that for Oklahoma. It wasn't that their secondary was bad, it was that they have not been coached on how to play against that kind of offense. Their scheme is simply decrepit when faced with that kind of opponent.
USC didn't exploit a bad secondary, it exploited a bad scheme. Don't forget the USC backs were running right through the middle of the Oklahoma defense all night.
As far as Stoops and Florida---he practiced against a gimmicky spread offense and thus grew somewhat familiar with how to defense it. But what he really did was figure out SEC offenses. To this day he can still stop 'em (14 offensive points by LSU in the Sugar Bowl, 7 on that first drive on a nicely designed run by LSU that got them to the 10 and was the only real burst of offense for them all night).
But the Florida offense is still not compatible with the Big Six and other offenses, and some Pac-10 offenses and even some ACC offenses. It was this 1-dimensional scheme perfected over time (althought it was showing signs of age late in the Spurrier era).
So yes, Bob Stoops is somewhat familiar with elements of a spread and gimmicky pass offense, but not the the extent that he can stop it.
And how has Michigan done when it's gone on the road to play Pac 10 teams? We know their Rose Bowl record isn't great the last few decades. (And I don't think you'll mind going back a few decades, since that is how far you had to go to tell us Michigan beat Cal the last time they played in in Ann Arbor.) You could argue that the Rose Bowl is a home game for the the Pac 10 team---except that every Pac 10 team but UCLA and USC is based at least 350 miles from Pasadena. How has Michigan done on the road in the regular seaon against Pac 10 teams? I don't know their overall record, but I do remember how they did the last time they played in Eugene against a mediocre Oregon squad. And, BTW, Eugene is not exactly a warm weather location.
Bob Stoops is stuck. He's more like the NBA's Jerry Sloan.
I will tell you this from the Arizona fan's perspective: We wouldn't trade Mike for Bob. We love Mike Stoops and hope he stays at Arizona for his entire career. His passion - check that - his fire is exactly what Arizona fans wanted. Nothing warmed the hearts of Arizona fans more last year than seeing Mike Stoops having to be restrained from getting in the face of officials who blew calls. Mike Stoops does "get it"...he's a head coach that cares about Arizona Football as much as those of us who bleed red and blue. His passion has energized an Arizona Football community reeling from the nuclear winter of the Mackovic era.
Let me add one other comment to one of the issues you raised regarding where Mike Stoops may or may be headed. Arizona athletic director Jim Livengood knows the importance of keeping Mike Stoops in Tucson. While many may point out the comparitive lack of football history on a national level compared to Oklahoma or Michigan, Arizona IS rich in football tradition. I believe Mike Stoops recognized that when accepting the head coach position at Arizona. Mike Stoops stated during his first press conference that he believed Arizona was a place he could come and win National Championships. Certainly, Arizona's history in other sports makes that a credible assumption.
Arizona was nobody in NCAA basketball until Lute arrived. Two decades later, Arizona is one of the most recognizeable basketball powers in the country. Most of us believe that Mike Stoops will stay at Arizona and when it's all said and done, Mike Stoops will be to Arizona Football what Lute Olson has been to Arizona Basketball.
When that achievement is realized, a large part of the credit will go squarely to Arizona athletic director Jim Livengood. Jim Livengood is a man who has worked tirelessly to make Arizona a nationally prominent school in all sports.
Did Bob prepare as well as he should've against Norm Chow's brilliant schemes? Obviously not. And he said himself that he was to do some soul searching. Obviously he learned more than we'd know after January 4th.
Remember Stoops won a National Championship, where is Jerry Sloan's?
Bo Pelini isn't Mike Stoops, no kidding... Do you think that maybe Pelini may be the source of the struggle on January 4th? Just a thought...
wait a minute...