General Tuberville Watch: Big Bad SEC Edition
Thursday, October 5, 2006 at 02:13AM I honestly hate to do this.
At some point in the last few years, I started to develop a profound respect for Auburn coach Tommy Tuberville. He seems like a decent guy and the longer he's stayed on the Plains, the better his teams have gotten. His nickname is ridiculous, mind you. Ok incredibly ridiculous. But I do my best to ignore it and look at the man's resume. Perhaps he's just lucky, or perhaps he's simply made some shrewd hires, but either way he's not only recruited and coached some fine teams, he's surrounded himself with quality coaches like former DC Gene Chizik and current OC Al Borges.
But my respect ends at this body of water: when coach starts opening his mouth.
For whatever reason, Tuberville has a way of saying some absurd things. The latest foot-in-mouth moment---BCS whining.
His talking points:
1)The SEC is just too durn tough to make it to the BCS national championship game.
"I've about had it with this playoff deal," Tuberville said after a lengthy, emotional argument for a playoff. "We all understand in our conference how tough it is. In our conference, that's about the only chance we'd have to make it."
Riiiight, coach. That's why since the inception of the BCS, Tennessee and LSU made and won title game appearances and Auburn finished its regular season undefeated in 2004.
If this rant is about 2004, coach should know better. No. 1 USC was ridiculously gerrymandered out of a BCS title game appearance in 2003, in some measure due to one loss and No. 3 LSU's mathematical strength of schedule advantage. Auburn was similarly squeezed in 2004, but they were nudged by a similarly undefeated Big 12 team: Oklahoma. Point being, the SEC isn't uniquely victimized. If any conference has room to complain, it's the Pac-10 with Oregon (twice) and California all surprising BCS non-invites.
2)Let's Do It For The Kids Playoff Straw Man
"There is no reason on this earth why we can't have the best four and then play one more," Tuberville said. "That's the legitimate thing to do. We added a BCS game -- for what in the world? -- I understand we're avoiding lawsuits and making money. But let's take care of the players."
Hey Tommy, here's a fun fact: some people like traditional bowl games. In fact, lots of them do, otherwise NCAA presidents would have long ago made the move to switch to a playoff. If it's such a popular idea with the public, the money would certainly be enough to entice them to change their minds on the matter.
I could also go on about the inherent and unreconcilable flaws of a one-and-done playoff, but that's for another day, another more lengthy entry.
3)Lies...lies... all lies!
"The problem we have is you have 120 universities that are I-A and probably 25 would say they have a legitimate chance each year," he said. "And you have presidents that for some reason look at it more as for the money than having a national championship on the field. They keep coming up with lame excuses about academics. Football players miss fewer classes than anybody...
..."Presidents take the money and go spend it, but they don't worry about the business of making it better," Tuberville said. "They keep coming up with excuses, yet we're playing [the national championship game] Jan. 8. It's hypocritical."
Yep, many are being hypocritical. I can agree with the coach here. University presidents are going to offer up any excuse possible not to create a playoff for college football. Many of the reasons are probably bogus. But they probably have some very valid reasons as well, of which the coach appears to have artfully dodged admitting during his rant.
The bottom line is not everybody wants a playoff. A certain chunk of those people have silly reasons not to opt for that system. But others have perfectly valid reasons, myself among them. To engage in a silly rhetorical trick as Tuberville has where the university presidents and playoff opponents/bowl proponents are considered hypocritical or unconcerned about the players is asinine and outrageous.
We somehow have forgotten that just a few short years ago there was no BCS. That college football's mythical national championship was just as mythical as it is today: chosen by voters after a full regular season and a host of December and January bowl games.
The only difference now is that TV money is behind a series of five games with one particular game pitting one versus two (chosen by an imperfect collection of polls) in a mythical championship game that isn't always the lone championship game, much to the dismay of LSU fans everywhere.
There were split titles then, there are split titles now and there will be disputed titles even if we go to a playoff as fans and pundits complain about this team or that team not making the cut.
Such is the history, such is the allure of college football, and hosting a playoff will never be that magic pill.
More targeted reforms should be aimed at the polling process. Ballots shouldn't be accepted until midweek, after voters have enough time to catch up with the weekend's games. The coaches poll should probably be disbanded, as many schools entrust voting to someone other than the coach, who is simply too occupied with team matters to keep track of more than a handful of schools. Voters within the press should be given the tools to keep track of all the weekend's action, perhaps overnighted DVD's of relevant game videos, box scores and press clippings to have a better grasp of the action around the country.
There are ways to make the current process more fair, and more reliable. Simply trying our hand at another unfair and tradition-changing system in cynicism and spite is the wrong way to go in my book.
For a different take on CTT's latest, visit HeismanPundit who notes that coach may have spoken too soon. Virginia Tech in 2005, anyone?
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Reader Comments (52)
The simple facts are that there is a playoff in every and, I mean every sport that determines the champion. That's the way it's suppose to be.
I hear from you that there are valid arguments against a 1-A playoff. What are those arguments? Please don't give me the college student being away from class crap. It doesn't seem to be a factor in other college sports. Please don't give me the demise of the Bowls. They would be better Bowls generating more money, a lot more money.
Polls are good for one thing, for creating contraversey!
We need a 16 team playoff just like 1-AA. We could incorporate the Bowls and instead of having 2 or 3 Bowls of interest all the Bowl games would be interesting and more profitable.
TT is correct. You are in a very small minority with few in your corner on this one.
I'd be more than happy returning to the wild-west mythical championships of the pre-BCS era, or going to some half-measure playoff that preserved the value of the regular season. But what we have now incorporates the worst of both worlds.
Here's a modest solution: why not use the conference championship week to add more games? Why should only those teams with conference championship games play that week? Why not have the non-championship game conferences host an "invitational" game pitting their best team against another high-ranked school that is also not scheduled for a conference title game?
Imagine, for example, USC finishing the year unbeaten and then playing an undefeated West Virginia on the same weekend that the Big 12, SEC, ACC, etc... are playing their conference title games. This would have the virtue of getting at least one unbeaten team knocked out of the equation with a very entertaining game before the bowl season even starts.
Ditto for the Big Ten champion. Fill in your own scenarios. Good teams sit idle that weekend for no good reason, while the others must play an extra -- sometimes very tough -- football game.
Imagine instead last season. Penn State is the Big Ten team hosting the championship game. Ohio State is the highly ranked co-champ, but left out.
How cool would it have been for Ohio State to play USC during championship weekend, and West Virginia to have tangled with TCU?
Again, the end product would be a few more very important games to seperate out who deserves to play for a national championship. Going on to the bowl games and then adding a plus-one from there wouldn't add very many more games.
A) the current system works, or the current system may be flawed now, but could possibly work with the appropriate tweaks, i.e. better polling methodology (my line of thought right now) [call this BCS or Improved BCS approach]
B) Throw out most of the current system, but no playoff, or at most a +1, and develop something else (The Spartan Bob Approach), or
C) playoff (whether it be +1,4,8,16); Using this framework may help cut through the emotional rhetoric. Furthermore, you can have arguments within each category, e.g., if I want playoff and you want playoff, lets figure out which version we want.
Additionally, and I don't think anyone is arguing this point, I hate constantly seeing variations on the argument that "2004 proves the BCS doesn't work." This is false. If you have 2 clear cut undefeated teams like last year, you don't need the BCS or any system, ala last year; You need a system to pick when there is an odd number of teams possibly qualified, like in 2004. The BCS worked exactly as it was intended, some people just didn't like the result.
I like the discussion, you guys are great!
Personally, I'd love to go back to the pre-BCS way. Split national titles are part of the game, so be it.
M'kay.
That's one big reason why there's such a vociferous minority opposed to a playoff--as soon as we have one, it'll delegitimize every voted-on "national championship" that came before it.
A poll "championship" is no such thing. It's an award--nice to have, no doubt. But it's not a championship, no matter how many mediots insist on calling it one.
Any change can de-legimitize what happened in the past: many schools claim National Championships that later lost in their bowl games, because the award was given prior to the bowls and the bowls were a consolation prize. We make fun of the schools that make those claims, but it doesn't delegitimize the championship or the body of work those teams produced during the entire season.
Let's see...you are left out of a chamionship game you belonged in in 2004..don't tell me oklahoma deserved to be there..they were obviously at the wrong bowl game. The sole reason you were left out was because of where you satrted in the preseason polls. the way it is shaping up, you are poised to be left out AGAIN. Yeah, I could see why he should keep his mouth shut.
So, are you willing to spit usc 2004 nationnal title with Auburn? Both were undefeated. What is up? Aren't you the one who doesn't believe in that poll crap..just rank em on how good they are...but lets back up this stupid system.
If Au gets in and USC doesn't..both are undefeated..I will eagerly await your article on how the system is messed up.
this site makes me laugh.
At the time very few felt Auburn deserved to be in that game ahead of Oklahoma.
In fact, the pregame Orange Bowl analysis all sounded like the pundits felt Oklahoma was going to hand it to USC, despite the Trojans being No. 1.
Auburn was in a unique situation to bitch about the ordeal only after Oklahoma was thoroughly spanked in that game. But the same uproar just wasn't there before the game. In other words the Auburn talk to this day is a false argument, taking advantage of what happened on the field that evening.
I don't think there will be such a controversy with either Auburn or USC this year, as I expect both to lose at least once before the season is over and render their arguments moot unless they're playing out of their minds and look better than whatever else is out there.
If I feel USC is a superior team to Auburn at that point in the season, and Auburn gets in, or vice versa, I'll make some noise. I'm concerned with who is best, period.
I'd probably be more upset if West Virginia or Louisville ends up in a title appearance, but that's down the road and we DO NOT yet know how good those teams will be. Again, hindsight is not validation other than to find ways to improve upon how we evaluate teams and try to get it right.
To this day, for all we know, Oklahoma might have been better than Auburn. Just because Oklahoma was crushed in the title game does not justify Auburn's appearance in it, after the fact.
Get ahold of yourself.
I'd like to sum up what I think your ideal CFB system would be, from reading your posts:
Division I-A is whittled down to the 6 BCS conferences (or even less teams). The teams in those conferences can only play teams from their own conference or one of the other 5 conferences. And then, even within that framework, only the traditionally "top" programs should only play each other out-of-conference. For instance, Michigan should not be playing Vanderbilt or any of the "lesser" teams in the other BCS conferences.
Then once the regular season is over, we have the bowls, and it's okay if we go back to a system where the top teams are not guaranteed to play each other, just like the "good" old days.
Then once all of that is complete, some group of voters will vote to see who they THINK is the best team (based on guesswork and hypotheses), and that team is the national champion.
Am I close?
http://www.collegefootballresource.com/blog/2006/7/17/commissioner-for-a-day.html
I think I'm quite close.
Regardless of whether Auburn got screwed in 2004 (they were undefeated and were left out of the championship game, I'd feel screwed if I were them), Tuberville would be better off keeping his mouth shut. It doesn't endear his team to the pollsters. That being said, I'm all for a playoff.
No.
"The teams in those conferences can only play teams from their own conference or one of the other 5 conferences"
No.
"And then, even within that framework, only the traditionally "top" programs should only play each other out-of-conference"
No.
"For instance, Michigan should not be playing Vanderbilt or any of the "lesser" teams in the other BCS conferences"
No.
"Then once the regular season is over, we have the bowls"
Yes.
"and it's okay if we go back to a system where the top teams are not guaranteed to play each other"
It's called the regular season and bowl games where top teams are guaranteed to play each other.
"just like the "good" old days"
1990 and 1997 were both great football seasons. So was 2003.
"Then once all of that is complete, some group of voters will vote to see who they THINK is the best team (based on guesswork and hypotheses), and that team is the national champion"
Well, hopefully voting's based on rigorous observation, some grasp of the schematics of football, some ability to judge talent and coaching, etc. But yes.
Ideally top schools, contenders, should be scheduling a variety of quality competition. They need to play games they might just lose, they need to play teams that can put up a fight so we can tell what they're made of, how they respond to challenges and a variety of offensive and defensive schemes and personnel and coaching.
The more that's done, the less guesswork is involved later in the year when we have to decide on these teams.
Part of the reason Auburn was shortchanged in 2004 had to do with all their cupcake games. There wasn't an opportunity for anyone to see what Auburn could do outside of the SEC, more guesswork and leaps of faith had to be involved in voting them No. 1 or No. 2 for voters. They were clearly unwilling to make that leap.
Sometimes it's brutally obvious who the top teams are, such as last year. Sometimes it isn't, which may be the case this year (many weeks of games left to be played, so I'm not even leaping to conclusions about any team yet, unlike coach Tuberville).
I have no grievance with Michigan's schedule this year because they scheduled a traditional power, Notre Dame, on the road. And then they avoided the typical WAC nobodies such as Utah State. Instead they grabbed CMU, who cannot beat them but can scare them and has a tricky offense that nearly toppled Boston College. It's not the most rigorous game, but it did involve a modicum of risk. Vanderbilt was the one cupcake, but the other two games balanced that one out reasonably well.
What's clear is that Michigan didn't cynically make their schedule, they found two BCS conference teams including a powerhouse and then a local school that isn't your typical weak sister (La-Lafayette, etc.).
The Traditionalist: which want the bolws, the split championships, and such
The Trailblazers: The ones that want a playoff.
I'm the latter, screw a tradition that is all based on what a bunch of journalist say, get your best 16 first round at higer seeds home field, then from there think of something smart to do. The rest of the teams can go to the insight.com/nit bowl.