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05Oct

Tuberville Watch: Big Bad SEC Edition

I honestly hate to do this.

At some point in the last few years, I started to develop a profound respect for Auburn coach Tommy Tuberville.  He seems like a decent guy and the longer he's stayed on the Plains, the better his teams have gotten.  His nickname is ridiculous, mind you.  Ok incredibly ridiculous.  But I do my best to ignore it and look at the man's resume.  Perhaps he's just lucky, or perhaps he's simply made some shrewd hires, but either way he's not only recruited and coached some fine teams, he's surrounded himself with quality coaches like former DC Gene Chizik and current OC Al Borges.

But my respect ends at this body of water: when coach starts opening his mouth.

For whatever reason, Tuberville has a way of saying some absurd things.  The latest foot-in-mouth moment---BCS whining.

His talking points:

1)The SEC is just too durn tough to make it to the BCS national championship game.

"I've about had it with this playoff deal," Tuberville said after a lengthy, emotional argument for a playoff. "We all understand in our conference how tough it is. In our conference, that's about the only chance we'd have to make it."

Riiiight, coach.  That's why since the inception of the BCS, Tennessee and LSU made and won title game appearances and Auburn finished its regular season undefeated in 2004.

If this rant is about 2004, coach should know better.  No. 1 USC was ridiculously gerrymandered out of a BCS title game appearance in 2003, in some measure due to one loss and No. 3 LSU's mathematical strength of schedule advantage.  Auburn was similarly squeezed in 2004, but they were nudged by a similarly undefeated Big 12 team: Oklahoma.  Point being, the SEC isn't uniquely victimized.  If any conference has room to complain, it's the Pac-10 with Oregon (twice) and California all surprising BCS non-invites.

2)Let's Do It For The Kids Playoff Straw Man

"There is no reason on this earth why we can't have the best four and then play one more," Tuberville said. "That's the legitimate thing to do. We added a BCS game -- for what in the world? -- I understand we're avoiding lawsuits and making money. But let's take care of the players."

Hey Tommy, here's a fun fact: some people like traditional bowl games.  In fact, lots of them do, otherwise NCAA presidents would have long ago made the move to switch to a playoff.  If it's such a popular idea with the public, the money would certainly be enough to entice them to change their minds on the matter.

I could also go on about the inherent and unreconcilable flaws of a one-and-done playoff, but that's for another day, another more lengthy entry.

3)Lies...lies... all lies!

"The problem we have is you have 120 universities that are I-A and probably 25 would say they have a legitimate chance each year," he said. "And you have presidents that for some reason look at it more as for the money than having a national championship on the field. They keep coming up with lame excuses about academics. Football players miss fewer classes than anybody...

..."Presidents take the money and go spend it, but they don't worry about the business of making it better," Tuberville said. "They keep coming up with excuses, yet we're playing [the national championship game] Jan. 8. It's hypocritical."

Yep, many are being hypocritical.  I can agree with the coach here.  University presidents are going to offer up any excuse possible not to create a playoff for college football.  Many of the reasons are probably bogus.  But they probably have some very valid reasons as well, of which the coach appears to have artfully dodged admitting during his rant.

The bottom line is not everybody wants a playoff.  A certain chunk of those people have silly reasons not to opt for that system.  But others have perfectly valid reasons, myself among them.  To engage in a silly rhetorical trick as Tuberville has where the university presidents and playoff opponents/bowl proponents are considered hypocritical or unconcerned about the players is asinine and outrageous.

We somehow have forgotten that just a few short years ago there was no BCS.  That college football's mythical national championship was just as mythical as it is today: chosen by voters after a full regular season and a host of December and January bowl games.

The only difference now is that TV money is behind a series of five games with one particular game pitting one versus two (chosen by an imperfect collection of polls) in a mythical championship game that isn't always the lone championship game, much to the dismay of LSU fans everywhere.

There were split titles then, there are split titles now and there will be disputed titles even if we go to a playoff as fans and pundits complain about this team or that team not making the cut.

Such is the history, such is the allure of college football, and hosting a playoff will never be that magic pill.

More targeted reforms should be aimed at the polling process.  Ballots shouldn't be accepted until midweek, after voters have enough time to catch up with the weekend's games.  The coaches poll should probably be disbanded, as many schools entrust voting to someone other than the coach, who is simply too occupied with team matters to keep track of more than a handful of schools.  Voters within the press should be given the tools to keep track of all the weekend's action, perhaps overnighted DVD's of relevant game videos, box scores and press clippings to have a better grasp of the action around the country.

There are ways to make the current process more fair, and more reliable.  Simply trying our hand at another unfair and tradition-changing system in cynicism and spite is the wrong way to go in my book.

For a different take on CTT's latest, visit HeismanPundit who notes that coach may have spoken too soon.  Virginia Tech in 2005, anyone?


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    A College Football Playoff is possible. And it is possible to keep all the Bowl Games in the process. Just look at the major conference championship games and the impact they have had on Bowl Games. None at all

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What a surprise. Big 2-Little-9 and Pac-1(0) fans wholeheartedly support the "popularity contest" not-a-championship system. I'm shocked, shocked.
October 5, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterFlibbetigibbet
CFR, this is probably your biggest piece of trash (and you've had a few) I've ever read.

The simple facts are that there is a playoff in every and, I mean every sport that determines the champion. That's the way it's suppose to be.

I hear from you that there are valid arguments against a 1-A playoff. What are those arguments? Please don't give me the college student being away from class crap. It doesn't seem to be a factor in other college sports. Please don't give me the demise of the Bowls. They would be better Bowls generating more money, a lot more money.

Polls are good for one thing, for creating contraversey!

We need a 16 team playoff just like 1-AA. We could incorporate the Bowls and instead of having 2 or 3 Bowls of interest all the Bowl games would be interesting and more profitable.

TT is correct. You are in a very small minority with few in your corner on this one.
October 5, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterDawgy1
Actually, and this debate won't easily be solved, CFR has this one right. Playoff is the knee jerk reaction for those wanting resolution. Ask yourself: why do we have to have an undisputed national chamption? A playoff only tells us who is the hottest team at the end of the year, and wouldn't be a great reflection of the entire body of work. What makes college football great, and different and better than every other sport is the importance of regular season games, which are diminished by a playoff, especially a large 16 team format. Do you really want to diminish the atmosphere and intensity of the upcoming UGA/UT "elimination" game with a "well it doesn't matter, we'll make the playoffs anyway?" What about TX/OSU early in the season - what makes these regular season games great (and more important than regular season games in any other sport) is the ramifications those one games have, not only for one season, but in history. (I guarantee "Run Lindsay" wouldn't get the same airtime as a play launching UGA to the title had the play cemented UGA as one of 16 teams ready to fight it out at the end of the season). The death gauntlet that is the SEC is what makes the conference great, all that goes away with a playoff. This is part (among many others) of the reason 1-AA matchups between hated rivals during the season don't generate nearly the same buzz (I've attended both a 1-AA football power and a BCS football power, so I've experienced this first hand). Those needing the excitement of a playoff can go watch college basketball. College Football is unique, let's leave it that way. CFR is on the right track, alot of the (legit) problems that people have with the sport would be more appropriately solved through more effective polling, than with a playoff which would throw the baby out with the bathwater. (off soapbox).
October 5, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterLtrain
Sane people can disagree.
October 5, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterDawgy1
Absolutely.
October 5, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterLtrain
I can accept the "keep the bowl system" argument against a playoff, but what we have now is NOT that result. Auburn 2004 was not on par as a co-champion in the same sense that Nebraska/Michigan were co-equal in 1997. The BCS clearly makes some champions more equal than others by creating a stand-alone game at the very end of the season.

I'd be more than happy returning to the wild-west mythical championships of the pre-BCS era, or going to some half-measure playoff that preserved the value of the regular season. But what we have now incorporates the worst of both worlds.

Here's a modest solution: why not use the conference championship week to add more games? Why should only those teams with conference championship games play that week? Why not have the non-championship game conferences host an "invitational" game pitting their best team against another high-ranked school that is also not scheduled for a conference title game?

Imagine, for example, USC finishing the year unbeaten and then playing an undefeated West Virginia on the same weekend that the Big 12, SEC, ACC, etc... are playing their conference title games. This would have the virtue of getting at least one unbeaten team knocked out of the equation with a very entertaining game before the bowl season even starts.

Ditto for the Big Ten champion. Fill in your own scenarios. Good teams sit idle that weekend for no good reason, while the others must play an extra -- sometimes very tough -- football game.
October 5, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterSpartan Bob
I should clarify. In the hypothetical I just laid out, the Big East would probably have its own "invitational" game and would thus not send its best team to play the best Pac 10 school.

Imagine instead last season. Penn State is the Big Ten team hosting the championship game. Ohio State is the highly ranked co-champ, but left out.

How cool would it have been for Ohio State to play USC during championship weekend, and West Virginia to have tangled with TCU?

Again, the end product would be a few more very important games to seperate out who deserves to play for a national championship. Going on to the bowl games and then adding a plus-one from there wouldn't add very many more games.
October 5, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterSpartan Bob
Interesting approach that I hadn't heard before. I need to dwell on it more, but certainly thought provoking. Right now, anything that improves the dialogue beyond "the status quo may not be working so we need a playoff" is sorely needed. With that in mind, there seems to me to be 3 categories of thought:
A) the current system works, or the current system may be flawed now, but could possibly work with the appropriate tweaks, i.e. better polling methodology (my line of thought right now) [call this BCS or Improved BCS approach]
B) Throw out most of the current system, but no playoff, or at most a +1, and develop something else (The Spartan Bob Approach), or
C) playoff (whether it be +1,4,8,16); Using this framework may help cut through the emotional rhetoric. Furthermore, you can have arguments within each category, e.g., if I want playoff and you want playoff, lets figure out which version we want.
Additionally, and I don't think anyone is arguing this point, I hate constantly seeing variations on the argument that "2004 proves the BCS doesn't work." This is false. If you have 2 clear cut undefeated teams like last year, you don't need the BCS or any system, ala last year; You need a system to pick when there is an odd number of teams possibly qualified, like in 2004. The BCS worked exactly as it was intended, some people just didn't like the result.
October 5, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterLtrain
Regardless of whether there should be a playoff, why is Tuberville politicking for his team in the press every year now? Who knows if Tuberville even really wants a playoff. I think it's pretty obvious he's trying to lay some early groundwork to sway some voters to vote his team into the top 2 should more than 2 teams go undefeated. And his ploy is strange and a little pathetic to me - instead of saying "boo hoo hoo SEC gets screwed," why not at least come out and say with some authority "the SEC is the toughest conference in football and if we make it through undefeated we DESERVE to be the championship game?" I really think his antics might serve to turn off voters. If I was rooting for Auburn, I'd want Tuberville to shut up.
October 5, 2006 | Unregistered Commenterg-man's homeboy
That's Tuberville for ya.

I like the discussion, you guys are great!

Personally, I'd love to go back to the pre-BCS way. Split national titles are part of the game, so be it.
October 5, 2006 | Registered CommenterCFR
So let me get this straight. A "championship" system that boils down to an opinion poll of a few people selected by media organizations is somehow more legitimate than a head-to-head playoff?

M'kay.

That's one big reason why there's such a vociferous minority opposed to a playoff--as soon as we have one, it'll delegitimize every voted-on "national championship" that came before it.

A poll "championship" is no such thing. It's an award--nice to have, no doubt. But it's not a championship, no matter how many mediots insist on calling it one.
October 5, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterFlibbetigibbet
That's one way of looking at it. I tend to view the "potential" as a championship - not one based on an opinion poll, and not one based on how hot a team got at the end of the year, but rather based on collective observation of how a team performed the entire year and against what level of competition (that's right, some objective strength of schedule calculation would need to play a role). I certainly agree that our current polling system(s) does not properly accomplish that aim.
Any change can de-legimitize what happened in the past: many schools claim National Championships that later lost in their bowl games, because the award was given prior to the bowls and the bowls were a consolation prize. We make fun of the schools that make those claims, but it doesn't delegitimize the championship or the body of work those teams produced during the entire season.
October 5, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterLtrain
what happen? did hits to your site go down? Want me to post this on the auburn message board to drive traffic to your site to read this crap? Are you serious? What a joke.

Let's see...you are left out of a chamionship game you belonged in in 2004..don't tell me oklahoma deserved to be there..they were obviously at the wrong bowl game. The sole reason you were left out was because of where you satrted in the preseason polls. the way it is shaping up, you are poised to be left out AGAIN. Yeah, I could see why he should keep his mouth shut.

So, are you willing to spit usc 2004 nationnal title with Auburn? Both were undefeated. What is up? Aren't you the one who doesn't believe in that poll crap..just rank em on how good they are...but lets back up this stupid system.

If Au gets in and USC doesn't..both are undefeated..I will eagerly await your article on how the system is messed up.

this site makes me laugh.
October 5, 2006 | Unregistered Commenterpatrick
Hindsight is 20/20.

At the time very few felt Auburn deserved to be in that game ahead of Oklahoma.

In fact, the pregame Orange Bowl analysis all sounded like the pundits felt Oklahoma was going to hand it to USC, despite the Trojans being No. 1.

Auburn was in a unique situation to bitch about the ordeal only after Oklahoma was thoroughly spanked in that game. But the same uproar just wasn't there before the game. In other words the Auburn talk to this day is a false argument, taking advantage of what happened on the field that evening.

I don't think there will be such a controversy with either Auburn or USC this year, as I expect both to lose at least once before the season is over and render their arguments moot unless they're playing out of their minds and look better than whatever else is out there.

If I feel USC is a superior team to Auburn at that point in the season, and Auburn gets in, or vice versa, I'll make some noise. I'm concerned with who is best, period.

I'd probably be more upset if West Virginia or Louisville ends up in a title appearance, but that's down the road and we DO NOT yet know how good those teams will be. Again, hindsight is not validation other than to find ways to improve upon how we evaluate teams and try to get it right.

To this day, for all we know, Oklahoma might have been better than Auburn. Just because Oklahoma was crushed in the title game does not justify Auburn's appearance in it, after the fact.

Get ahold of yourself.
October 5, 2006 | Registered CommenterCFR
That's the problem with the bowl/poll system that you love so much. Everything boils down to what you said: "for all we know." Guesswork and hypothesis. That's just a really crappy way to determine a champion.

I'd like to sum up what I think your ideal CFB system would be, from reading your posts:

Division I-A is whittled down to the 6 BCS conferences (or even less teams). The teams in those conferences can only play teams from their own conference or one of the other 5 conferences. And then, even within that framework, only the traditionally "top" programs should only play each other out-of-conference. For instance, Michigan should not be playing Vanderbilt or any of the "lesser" teams in the other BCS conferences.

Then once the regular season is over, we have the bowls, and it's okay if we go back to a system where the top teams are not guaranteed to play each other, just like the "good" old days.

Then once all of that is complete, some group of voters will vote to see who they THINK is the best team (based on guesswork and hypotheses), and that team is the national champion.

Am I close?
October 5, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterMarty
No. Not close at all.
October 5, 2006 | Registered CommenterCFR
October 5, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterMarty
Patrick,

Regardless of whether Auburn got screwed in 2004 (they were undefeated and were left out of the championship game, I'd feel screwed if I were them), Tuberville would be better off keeping his mouth shut. It doesn't endear his team to the pollsters. That being said, I'm all for a playoff.
October 5, 2006 | Unregistered Commenterg-man's homeboy
"Division I-A is whittled down to the 6 BCS conferences (or even less teams)"

No.

"The teams in those conferences can only play teams from their own conference or one of the other 5 conferences"

No.

"And then, even within that framework, only the traditionally "top" programs should only play each other out-of-conference"

No.

"For instance, Michigan should not be playing Vanderbilt or any of the "lesser" teams in the other BCS conferences"

No.

"Then once the regular season is over, we have the bowls"

Yes.

"and it's okay if we go back to a system where the top teams are not guaranteed to play each other"

It's called the regular season and bowl games where top teams are guaranteed to play each other.

"just like the "good" old days"

1990 and 1997 were both great football seasons. So was 2003.

"Then once all of that is complete, some group of voters will vote to see who they THINK is the best team (based on guesswork and hypotheses), and that team is the national champion"

Well, hopefully voting's based on rigorous observation, some grasp of the schematics of football, some ability to judge talent and coaching, etc. But yes.

Ideally top schools, contenders, should be scheduling a variety of quality competition. They need to play games they might just lose, they need to play teams that can put up a fight so we can tell what they're made of, how they respond to challenges and a variety of offensive and defensive schemes and personnel and coaching.

The more that's done, the less guesswork is involved later in the year when we have to decide on these teams.

Part of the reason Auburn was shortchanged in 2004 had to do with all their cupcake games. There wasn't an opportunity for anyone to see what Auburn could do outside of the SEC, more guesswork and leaps of faith had to be involved in voting them No. 1 or No. 2 for voters. They were clearly unwilling to make that leap.

Sometimes it's brutally obvious who the top teams are, such as last year. Sometimes it isn't, which may be the case this year (many weeks of games left to be played, so I'm not even leaping to conclusions about any team yet, unlike coach Tuberville).

I have no grievance with Michigan's schedule this year because they scheduled a traditional power, Notre Dame, on the road. And then they avoided the typical WAC nobodies such as Utah State. Instead they grabbed CMU, who cannot beat them but can scare them and has a tricky offense that nearly toppled Boston College. It's not the most rigorous game, but it did involve a modicum of risk. Vanderbilt was the one cupcake, but the other two games balanced that one out reasonably well.

What's clear is that Michigan didn't cynically make their schedule, they found two BCS conference teams including a powerhouse and then a local school that isn't your typical weak sister (La-Lafayette, etc.).
October 5, 2006 | Registered CommenterCFR
Theres two mind sets here:

The Traditionalist: which want the bolws, the split championships, and such

The Trailblazers: The ones that want a playoff.

I'm the latter, screw a tradition that is all based on what a bunch of journalist say, get your best 16 first round at higer seeds home field, then from there think of something smart to do. The rest of the teams can go to the insight.com/nit bowl.
October 6, 2006 | Unregistered Commenterbusiness

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